tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post6218305197231214135..comments2023-06-28T05:54:47.372-04:00Comments on Music 000001: 244. The Baseline Scenarios -- Part 20: Still More HutsDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-50103147872131601992009-11-23T12:47:41.462-05:002009-11-23T12:47:41.462-05:00Great collection, Victor! Thank you. I'm not s...Great collection, Victor! Thank you. I'm not sure if the skin-covered dwelling of the Eskimo is an igloo. I think it's called tupiq. They used it once the snow is melted.<br /><br />So what's adaptational here and what's driven by descent? The type of covering seems to be adaptational (leaves, skin, snow depends on the availability of resources). Is the frame (conical, with several poles leaning against each other or against a mainstay [a "lean-to type"], or round, with poles being bent around and weaved together at the top) driven by common descent? Bushmen skerms are lean-tos just like American Indian tipis or Siberian chums, while Pygmy mongulus are weaved together at the top just like Plains Indian sweatlodges. Are these differences significant, I wonder?German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-5446091531706084732009-11-22T23:24:14.920-05:002009-11-22T23:24:14.920-05:00PS. There is also a graphic example in form of sec...PS. There is also a graphic example in form of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atreus-2.jpg" rel="nofollow">section of the "Treasure of Atreus" tholos</a>, where the structure is clearly visible.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-89567411380563555842009-11-22T23:22:35.768-05:002009-11-22T23:22:35.768-05:00From Wikipedia, Beehive tomb:
"A beehive to...From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beehive_tomb" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia, Beehive tomb</a>: <br /><br />"A beehive tomb, also known as a tholos tomb (plural tholoi), is a burial structure characterised by its false dome <b>created by the superposition of successively smaller rings</b> of mudbricks or, more often, stones. The resulting structure resembles a beehive, hence the traditional English name". <br /><br />The conical top is obviously not any true dome, which should be semi-spherical. <br /><br />However, I've noticed that some of your conically topped examples have some sort of what looks as outgoing beams, what may indicate a third different type of architecture.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-10523967304746901512009-11-22T22:29:03.641-05:002009-11-22T22:29:03.641-05:00Toda, a Dravidian tribe in South India are known f...Toda, a Dravidian tribe in South India are known for their unique <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Toda_Hut.JPG" rel="nofollow">huts</a>. However, the tribe is relatively lighter skinned than surrounding caste population or even other Dravidian tribes (excluding some of the tribes in Nilgiri hills, where they inhabit, like Badaga and Kota). I think they were believed to have migrated from West Asia.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-23214196339311360262009-11-22T22:28:04.772-05:002009-11-22T22:28:04.772-05:00Maju, take a good look at this stone beehive: http...Maju, take a good look at this stone beehive: http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/05/dd/c8/beehive-huts-in-the-monastic.jpg<br /><br />First of all, it looks to me like a true dome -- NOT conical. Second check out the jumble of stones, going every which way. I can't imagine any other way of constructing such a hut other than by piling stones almost randomly against a framework of some sort, most likely wood. The wood could easily have been removed after the stonework was complete, leaving a stable stone structure. I wonder what architects and engineers have written about this type of structure. What do you think?DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-19500251324561662612009-11-22T22:09:04.882-05:002009-11-22T22:09:04.882-05:00AFAIK, the tholoi are there for all to be seen. So...AFAIK, the tholoi are there for all to be seen. Some have lost their false domes but others are well preserved. So archaeologists have determined this fact by mere structural observation. <br /><br />Tholos type buildings do have that "extremely difficult balancing act" you say as essence of their construction techniques (each row has a slightly smaller diameter than the previous one). And that is why they can't build a true dome but just a false conical one (this doesn't happen with igloos but that's because of the particular building material they use). <br /><br />That's why I said before that this type of building evidences (or appears to prove) that there is conceptual discontinuity from the domed hut (which has a true dome, even if made of perishable organic materials) and the architectural dome of Etruscans and successors. <br /><br />However it is not totally impossible that some domed huts still existed in Etruscan or proto-Etruscan times, inspiring their architects, but these lessons were not applied to Tholoi, maybe because, lacking mortar, they could not build the arches on stone. <br /><br />I'll see if I can find some online material on this matter but you can take my word that I have read on it several times already and I'm very confident of this fact re. tholoi. <br /><br />As with your case of the domed huts, there is some debate if tholoi architectural concepts were invented only once (in West Asia then) or several times independently. There are serious issues regarding time and space gaps to allow for a simple continuity model however it is also known that Cyprus in particular was active in the Mediterranean early trade and there is one or two glass beads in Iberia that evidence that there was some W-E transmediterranean trade at the time of the first Western tholoi (which pre-date the Greek ones and are likely to have inspired them).Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-79953489427339282242009-11-22T21:41:13.284-05:002009-11-22T21:41:13.284-05:00Maju, is there any evidence of how these stone hut...Maju, is there any evidence of how these stone huts were constructed? It seems to me that the placement of the stones to form the domelike shape would involve an extremely difficult balancing act unless there were some sort of framework already in place to set them against. Are there any records that tell us how this was done?DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2808406058173173703.post-48129475788552459972009-11-22T13:53:51.650-05:002009-11-22T13:53:51.650-05:00The Chalcolithic "beehive hut" you menti...The Chalcolithic "beehive hut" you mention is clearly different because:<br /><br />1. It has no true dome but a false dome: the "domed" conic roof is made like an igloo (roughly) and not with the classical arched pole structure of true domed hutes or true historical domes. <br /><br />2. These tholoi of Europe were used as burial sites, not homes. Though it is not impossible that they derived from similar ones from Cyprus (Khirokitia) and Kurdistan (Tell Halaf) of a much earlier period, which were used as real homes, it seems.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com